Guest

I wouldn't give tim lowe the time of day!

Michael

Tim Lowe often hitches up with other Internet Marketing "Gurus" to flog his high-priced courses. At one time it was punted to make money out of the slimming industry, then a year later yet another scheme which cost £5000+ for skimming money off financial transactions.
I cannot beleive this man is credible

gloria

To MIchael: I received a letter from Tim regarding skimming moeny off financial transactions. Has anyone tried this? Any comments, please?

trevor

I have had a letter also same as Gloria I must say very tempting guaranteed £1K even if you dont go for the full day and get a refund on the £5800. I suppose really nothing to loose but he is gambling on persuasion.The letter leads you to believe this is something new. If it is not then I shan't touch it. Anyone got any info, or done it and got the T shirt. Any money to be made???

Joe

Yes got the letter to. Looks interesting and tempted but cant quite make out what the system is that makes you money. Michael on here sees it as skimming money off financial transactions. I read it as making money from gambling i.e. companies like Betfair. The carrot make £1000 in a day sells me if true, just do this for 5 days and you have got your money back. Or does it sound to good to be true. If this "make 1K a day" system dosent work Tim will give £1000 from his own pocket he still makes £4000

John L.

I've had the letter - sent an email twice now asking how much one actually needs to "trade" with. afterall if you can't afford that how can you make the money Tim's talking about. It's now 2 days and still no reply to my email - says a lot about the ongoing support if he can't answer an email when he's trying to get me signed up!. Any other comments welcome before I sign up - at least just to answer my intrigue.

John L.

An update to my earlier comment - Tim HAS responded with a very satisfactory answer (25 May 2010.

Guest

Dear John L. Can you share his answer with us.

John L.

Hello Guest - I don't think it very ethical to talk about the reply I got, why don't you ask the question yourself.

Gloria

Hi everyone, thanks for your comments.
John, not sure what you meant by "asking how much one actually needs to "trade" with"
Is there anything to trade?
John, what exactly did you ask Tim as I am not sure if I get it from your comment. Sorry (language barrier for me, I guess, I am Italian!). It would be helpful to share the answer though, after all Tim sends the same standard letter to everyone. Anyhow, I don't mean to pressurize.
My concern is that number 1) he is asking you to forge £5800 BEFORE even you understand what the product is actually about - so you are purchasing something "blindfolded"; secondly, although he offers a refund until 2pm, my experience with these kind of offers is that they give you the best pitch by 2pm (like making the 1000K), only to leave you some nitty gritty details after 2pm when it is too late to get a refund. My understanding is that you make a % from the money that betters spend on the their bets by using financial engines (whatever you call them: paypal could be an example as it is used for financial transactions). I just wish these gurus could offer something in the sunlight, rather than being so obscure. Has anyone had anymore insight into this?

John L.

Hi Gloria,
From the letter and web page it's evident that it's a trading system of some sort. Now in addition to buying in you will need a "Trading" bank and I asked him how much does he recommend. If you're considering buying in then you need to email Tim with that question, after all it's no use buying in and then not being able to afford to trade which has to be considered when making your decision. If it helps I have bought in and will be at the Tuesday 22nd June training day.

gloria

thanks John for your help. just to see if I am getting this right, I would appreciate yr help again. So, I would be acting as the trading account, where people put their bets through my account -whether win or loose I get to keep the % while pass on the rest to the betting companies? When you say buying in, you mean enter into some kind of partnership/joint venture and buy a share of this trading system off him or some companies? it sounds as if you need funds to run this trading account? Am I understanding this correctly or am I totally confused? Also, is this business only viable for transactions for gambling? I have to say that I would not sleep well at night as I would have some moral issues to deal with when it comes to gambling, no matter from whichever angle you look at it. The dates I were given were different: 13 June seems to be the latest date for me to go. Till next....

Michael

Dear John,
I am a doctor, quite keen to make money in a way that does not use all my time, and allows me to visit children abroad. £5800 is a lot of hours of work to make up, if things go wrong. Given that you have signed up, do you trust you will get it back, or have the wisdom to get out by 2.00pm. My wife will kill me if I lose the £5800, yet I , too, am tempted, but have next to no business experience. Your thoughts?

Guest

John l

i want to attend the course but am very sceptical

can you ring me so we can talk ?

i am not interested if it is internet marketing , but if it is as it sounds trading then i am very intereted

Has anyone been on the days course yet ?

John L.

Hello Guest(s) For what it's worth you have to look at this as a one off chance to make some money. I've thought long and hard about the pro's and con's and to be honest now that I've signed up and received information from Tim I can tell you I'm very confident that this is not a scam and that it has the potential that Tim says it has. It's about trading sports markets - and whilst there is a risk to anything you go into on the Internet this does look like the real deal. I can advise you it is NOT GAMBLING - it is trading i.e. you buy a trade at one price and sell it a different price for a PROFIT. That's all I can say , you've got to ask yourself if you want to change your life - and with regards to the get out clause by 2pm on the training day, I have not doubt what so ever that this will happen if you want out. Good luck to you all and I might see some of you on the 22nd June.

tim

Thanks for the reply John

I would love to talk to you now that you have the material to allow me to understand it

i am very keen to go - you say the 22nd june - do you mean the 29th ?

my number is 07881 917093

gloria

so, from john's last post, it sounds like sports betting arbitrage - am I correct? I found this website which offers free guide and support. Check it out and please let me know what you think. Thanks

link

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Go8eLDw4O9MJ:www.sportsarbitrageguide.com/+sports+betting+arbitrage&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

John L.

Hello Gloria - I must say that's an excellent website you've found - I deduce from it that what Tim is offering seems to fit perfectly into the wider scheme of things, and as it says on the website you CAN make money and I suggest you all check it out - then go for it and get signed up with Tim - if you don't you'll never know what you've missed. That's the way I'm looking at it and I will certainly ask for my deposit back if I don't feel comfortable by 2pm on the day.

me again

Hi again John, I forgot to ask you one more thing. Wouldn't you need to know which bets to buy before selling them? Wouldn't you also need to have an understanding of how sports betting work? Wouldn't you need to have a knowledge about sports in general? What if you buy bets but can't sell them? You would incur a loss.

What do you mean "it fits perfectly into the wider scheme of things? How does it fit into the wider scheme? Could you share it with us please?

me again

Doesn't tim say somewhere that you do not need have any money to start with? (I would need to double check though) and yet, it would seem from you have said that you have to buy in. I think I am going to write to him with a whole bunch of specific questions and see what he comes back with. I am still worried about loosing all this money if I give it a try.

John L.

Gloria, we're going round in circles here - I've told you what I think; therefore it's up to you to decide. Ask Tim as many questions as you see fit prior to handing over any money. With regards to the "greater scheme of things" - what I mean here is that Tim has a system for sports TRADING (not gambling) which you have to follow to the letter to achieve your goals. I can't say any more than that, some times in life you have to get off the fence and make a decision like I have - I think you're there now.

Joe

Hi again folks and good luck to those who are trying out this system. I have just been wondering where Tim walks you through the £1000 working capital part.

As I stated on a previous post

"The carrot, make £1000 in a day sells me if true, just do this for 5 days and you have got your money back. Or does it sound to good to be true. If this "make 1K a day" system dosen't work Tim will give £1000 from his own pocket he still makes £4000"

This has been bothering me. Why not just do this for 5 days instead of the system he is selling.

This brings me to the conclusion that the £1000 working capital method can only be done once and could be found at this link by anyone https://www.easyodds.com/membership/signup/accounts-pick.aspx

Now I don't know about you, but I would be a bit disappointed having to waste the day plus expenses for information readily available at anytime. I use Betfair and have other gambling accounts but can only sign up once.

I expected this system to involve Sports Arbitrage and thats why I was interested but I feel he could have given more upfront information.

John L I honestly hope you do well if you choose to go ahead, maybe you could let me know how it goes. I will give an email address if you wish.

John L.

Thanks for your comment Joe - if it's you running this site then yes I'd like to talk to you about other opportunities so an email address would be helpful please.

One last thought from me on Tim Lowe - this latest system is brand new and that's another reason I'm interested. I've always got into things after everyone else has made the money so maybe, just maybe this is it - I like the idea of trading and not gambling, I also like the idea of getting out by 2 pm on the day if I'm suspicious so no more on the subject because at the end of the day you've all got your own thoughts and ambitions so it's up to you how you achieve things. I should also add that I have never had any dealings with Tim Lowe or any of his systems so I'm as green as you all are.
Good luck if you go ahead - cheers John L.

gloria

Hi, I did not think I was going around in circles. I was just asking more specific questions such as whether one needs knowledge of sports or what if you can't sell what you buy? (a similar system is share options, that you could sell them on but it does not always work). I think the same as Joe; more upfront information would have been helpful. Joe, the link you put on this comment: do you sign up on these betting to bet or to sell bets as betting partner? it was not clear to me.

Guest

Joe, you said that you can make a one off £1000 - how would that be possible? could you explain? thanks.

Guest

The point I was making regarding "Tim would make you £1000 as your getting started money" could well be joining these betting company's where they give you free money to bet with just for setting up an account. This is only my thoughts.

The plan may well be to spread betting picking the best odds for different outcomes of events. There are many different combinations of the outcome of a football match.

In Betfair for example I can ask for certain odds and someone might well match them - this means I can control my betting odds to a certain extent.

Unlike a Bookmaker who will only offer me prices that suites them.

Joe

Sorry, never added my name to the above comment.

Guest

thanks for the explanation. It does sound though as you need to understand sports betting. I am not even a sports fan! I am going to write to Tim (I have not had the time to do it yet!) and will post the outcome here soon (I hope).

Administrator

John L, Joe Hughes here the owner of the site here.

Just to let you know the Joe above is not me!

If you need to contact me there is a contact me page on the site. Be sure to feedback how you get on with the system once you have been on Tim's course.

gloria

I am very disappointed to report that I have sent Mr Lowe two emails since the 1st of June and I have received no answer to this date 6th of June. I really wanted to understand it better before committing £6000 but the lack of response is really off putting. The initial auto-response was a bit off putting too - it states he will basically answer those emails that are "worth replying". Though I understand he may be swamped by emails, I think it is still courtesy to be able to answer them all since after all he is asking everyone £6000 upfront.

gloria

I have now received an answer and I have decided it is not for me; it is "betting"; I would end up getting involved into the "gambling kind of area". This system is pretty much what Joe described including the "free money of £1000", which is indeed a ONE OFF. You can loose too, just like in the share options market, especially if you make a mistake. Good luck to John & those who will take part.

Geoff

If this is a trading system then no trading system can be guaranteed to be successful,if it could the person who found it would not be passing on these pearls of wisdom to the likes of you and I. I have tried trading systems run by other experts and you can make money but its still all a matter of luck.I am sorry if I appear to be a damp squid

Guest

I have had a second invitation (as someone who looked at the website but didnt sign up) from Nick James! to Tim Lowes £5000 workshop. Tim did reply to my questions and even said I could speak to his manager with any further questions. The system according to Tim is a new improved version of the Rich Life? Would like to speak to anybody who attended earlier this year and can vouch for the claims Tim makes and "show me the money"

kaz chima (derby)

Kaz,
Hello, i have also had a invitation to attend the tim lowe heaptamatic trading system workshop.
It seem very tempting! I was hoping to attend,the recent letter i received has dates for sometime in july. It also states you can bring a guest with you. I think the total price is £5800. This is a very high price tag, so i was actually looking for someone who would like to go and we could go halfs on the total payment, so it would workout at £3400 each.
So this would at least be a less risky amount to spend on a workshop such as this.
Anyone interested can contact me on 07828853591. Thankyou!

kaz chima (derby)

kaz,
Sorry! the total amount payable for the tim lowe heptamatic trading system workshop is £2900 each betwen two people including vat etc.
So the total would be £5800.
Thankyou.

Sev

The guy on Tims Heptamatic video who he calls Matthew is Mike Windsor from The Rich Life System i think??

kaz chima (derby)

Yes it is mike windsor! he also had a system called the rich life.

Si

So, five days after John L. attended his Heptamatic System (HS) seminar on 22nd and not a peep. Maybe the system requires a bit more time to run than advertised. Perhaps he left early, asked for his money back and is now recovering in hospital. More likely the system so good he’s now retired to Monaco to enjoy an early retirement and doesn’t want us to know about.

Joking aside, he will have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and will now be gagged on the system itself. Still I would think he could tell us if he thought it was making money or not?

On a more serious note:
In the advertising its implied that it’s Matthew's HS. However, if as has been alleged Matthew is really "Mike Windsor", a number of very serious question need asking. For starters:

1) How different is HS from the “The Rich Life System” (TRLS) that Mike sold to 100 people for just £397? (NB. TRLS seems to just cover horse racing). However, both appear to be sport arbitrage systems. Lets see, 7(hepta)x£395 = £2779 not quite the £4997+VAT asked for HS. Then again Tim as partner will be after a 50% cut + the seminar room and lunch cost. I all mounts up!

2) Why has Mike / Matthew decided to change his name? I hope that it’s simply a case of mistake identity and not one of trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I’ve not been able to track down a photo of Mike Windsor so who knows.

It’s interesting to note that TRLS has a reasonably favorable summary reviewed here:
http://www.bizoppjungle.com/Reviews/richlife_system.aspx

Would be good to know what John L. thinks if he ever returns.

Guest

£6k to hear 'back high, lay low'? Don't think so.

Guest

A review of the Rich Life System on www.moremoneyreview.com says the author of RLS is a certain Matt Fyles and not Mike Windsor. Apparently Tim Lowe endorsed RLS without sufficient due diligence and realised later that the system was flawed. So are Matt Fyles and Mike Windsor one and the same?

Guest

Matt Fyles and Mkie Windsor are the same person.

Guest

I have signed up for the course on the 7th July and will be addressing this to Tim and Matt/Mike. If it all looks a bit shady I am out of there like a shot. Should be a grand better off for it :-)

Guest

This is a trading system using betfair, I bought the original rich life system. This is a variation on that. The 1000 pound guarantee is the same as the one that came with the rich life system, this is basically taking the money bookmakers offer and laying it against betfair to create a risk free bet. You do however require several hundred pounds to recoup the money quickly. There are other people that show you the same method, if you search on the web. I do believe it is possible to make money using his method.

Colin

Hi Guys.

I posted a few weeks ago to state that it is Sports Arbitage that Tim is selling in this mail campaign. My original post was removed, so maybe Tim and his buddies got a bit upset that I blew the gaff on him (I recommended a service for a couple of hundred pounds). Anyway, save your money, put it into a business that is more concrete (by that I mean, a business that requires hard graft to set up and get profitable) and stop believing the hype that Tim Lowe throws at the nation!

Ask yourself this: How does Tim Lowe make his money? Simply, he sells IDEAS to people on how to make money. That's how Tim became rich. If you want to make money, sell IDEAS of how to make money to people. Of course, don't use the IDEAS that you're selling, because if you did that, you wouldn't make any money!

How many of the ideas that Tim has sold to you does he actually use to make his fortunes from?

I'd suggest sending him an e-mail (timlowe@markiteer.com) and ask him to state the income he has made from the IDEAS he sells.

Now that would be an interesting reply....

Si

Hi Colin, I for one would appreciate knowing more about the recommendation(s) you made a couple of weeks ago. If you could please contact me via reidsbox-arbs@yahoo.co.uk it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Administrator

Colin, hi Joe here. The post you did a few weeks ago was deleted because it was promoting a another scheme which I don't allow.

You can post your views here about Tim's system freely I have no affiliation with Tim or any biz op producer for that matter. Just make sure you don't promote products.

Thanks

Joe

Guest

Yes, the £1000 is made using matched betting techniques which exploit bonuses offered by bookmakers. There is plenty of free information about this on the net. I agree, Tim Lowe made his fortune by selling ideas, or dreams if you prefer. The Heptamatic system seems very expensive to me and the Mike Windsor/Matt Fyles affair seems rather underhand.

Guest

Joe: Apologies, didn't wish to offend. I appreciate that you're not involved nor affiliated with Tim Lowe of Markiteer Ltd.

Si: If you google "Sports Arbitage Betting", you'll find what you're looking for within the first five results.

Anyone had any replies off our friend Tim yet??? :-)

Administrator

Colin, No problem I appreciate your input. If you know of any good schemes email me them and I will review them for my subscribers.

Thanks

Joe

Guest

I attended the workshop on the 7th July and was dissapointed with the information I received. I asked for a refund before the 2pm deadline and left. I have not yet received my refund back onto my credit card. Will chase this up with Tim.

kaz chima (derby)

Guest, Thankyou for you honesty and feedback. I was very close to attending the workshop myself, but had my doubts. Thankfully you saved me my time and money.
Thanks!

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